A Summer eCommerce Roadtrip with Steve Chou

The boys are back in town! Or rather, in the woods together. Steve Chou and Andrew hit the open road on an epic camping trip through Yellowstone. This is part two of a three part series so if you need to catch up on what they’ve been up to thus far, you can check out the first episode here.

Today’s topics around the campfire include fatherhood, email deliverability and how Andrew prepares for worst case scenarios.

You’ll learn:

  • How Andrew and Steve are already raising mini entrepreneurs
  • Steve’s new group giveaway platform
  • Maintaining a strong work/life balance as business owners

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(With your host Andrew Youderian of eCommerceFuel.com and Steve Chou of MyWifeQuitHerJob.com)

Andrew: Welcome to “The eCommerceFuel Podcast,” the show dedicated to helping seven-figure-plus store owners build incredible businesses and amazing lives. I’m your host, Andrew Youderian, really good to have you with me on the show today. And I’m bringing you a slightly different episode, a little throwback to summer now that we’re in September, the air is getting a little bit chillier in a lot of places, and if you’re like me, you’re kind of pining back for those pure summer months.

I did a road trip…I lost a bet recently and had to take Steve Chou on a three-day road trip around Montana. I thought I’d bring you some episodes from the road. So, we did two or three episodes from that trip. A couple are over on his podcast, mywifequitherjob.com, and one episode we will be airing here on the show. So if you wanna hear the full arc of the entire story, Episode 1 is on his blog, it aired recently, excuse me, podcast. Episode 2 is here, and then Episode 3 is back on his as well.

You know, we talk about a lot of stuff, or talked about a lot of stuff just driving down the road, and that’s kind of what the catalyst was for content ideas. And this episode, we talked about some email deliverability hacks to be able to improve your deliverability and keep your email list really healthy. We talk about raising kids as entrepreneurs, if that’s a good idea or a bad idea, and a bunch of other stuff. It’s kind of a free ranging episode. Hopefully, you’ll enjoy it.

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All right, let’s go ahead and jump into my road trip episode with Steve Chou.

Andrew Gets Nostalgic

Steve, some of them set the scene for us here. We are on the third floor of the Old Faithful Inn in Yellowstone National Park. And this is a huge log cabin. I mean, this is…from floor to ceiling, it’s probably, would you say I’m exaggerating if I said 110 feet?

Steve: Not at all. It’s very impressive. Very high ceilings.

Andrew: Really cool, and it’s a place that I have a lot of nostalgia for. We came here a lot as kids and ran around as terrorists, getting in trouble all the time but really, really cool place. And yeah, just on a road trip, you’re here in Montana, I guess Wyoming at the moment for three- four road trip, and it’s been really fun so far. We spent the first day hanging out in Bozeman, second day rafting, and here we are in Yellowstone the third day.

Steve: Yeah, for sure.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s been good.

Steve: Yeah, it’s been great.

Andrew: Maybe we can talk about a few of the highs, lows, later on, but one thing we’ve been doing is the second episode, the first one went live on your podcast. So, if you wanna hear like, you know, some of the conversation from the first night, we’re doing this as a daily podcast. So, for the first night, your website is mywifequitherjob.com, and the podcast is of the same name, right?

Steve: Yeah. You can catch part one where I realized that I was gonna be stuck with Andrew for four straight days.

Andrew: Yes, and you can tell. We can email the last. We’ll see how this goes. Tune in to Episode 4 when we were just full on shoving at each other.

Steve: Exactly. Exactly. And this is a lot of time, actually. I don’t even spend this much time with my wife consistently on a regular basis, right?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, we’ll see how long it is until you call an Uber 200 miles back to town.

Steve: There’s no Uber here.

Andrew: Yeah, you’re right. You have to hitchhike.

Steve: Although, I do feel home at Yellowstone. There’s a lot more Asians at Yellowstone than there in Bozeman.

Andrew: Yeah, you go from 1% of the population to, what would you say, in Yellowstone?

Steve: Probably 20, right?

Andrew: Probably, yeah.

Steve: Probably.

Email Deliverability Is Going Down

Andrew: For those not those listening and not knowing who you are, Steve is Asian, so he’s allowed to make these kind of comments. But yeah, so a few things we wanna talk about, in the spirit of especially yesterday’s episode, just talk about some of the things we’ve been chatting about in conversation. And email deliverability was one.

We’re talking about, hiking around today, just are emails getting less and less? The reach is getting less. Deliverability is going down, open rate is going down. But you do a couple of cool things that I’m gonna start doing to try to combat that a bit. One is an app called Glock. Can you talk about that?

Steve: Oh, yeah. GlockApps, it’s this app that basically measures the deliverability of your account of your domain. So, what you do is Glock provides you with a bunch of different email addresses, usually around 20 to 25. And they all have different domain suffixes like Gmail, JimX. Yahoo, and what you do is you send a sample broadcast to those list of email addresses, and Glock will tell you which emails are reaching the inbox, the spam folder, or not even getting delivered at all.

And then it actually provides suggestions for your emails so that you can alter them to improve deliverability. So, for example, certain words like “Free” or “Giveaway” are like trigger words in the email that might take your email to the spam folder.

Tactics For Improving Open Rates

Andrew: And so how much does it improve on average broadcast that you’ve sent? Like would say you send it out and your open rates would normally be 25%, you go through this process, you influence some of the suggestions, what kind of improvement do you usually see?

Steve: I mean, you can see upwards of 15% to 20%. I’ll just give you a quick example here.

Andrew: So, when you say…Okay, go ahead, sorry.

Steve: Yeah, so there was one time an email that I had, had a whole bunch of links at the top before the content and then a whole bunch of links below. And I found that the deliverability to certain types of email inboxes was not that good, and then Glock was telling me that you have too many links before the content even starts. And so by eliminating those links, it improved the deliverability.

Another random thing that Glock told me about is that the unsubscribe link should only be one word. For example, I had it as “Unsubscribe here,” and for some reason that is a indication of spam from a lot of ISP. So I changed “Unsubscribe here” to just “Unsubscribe.”

Andrew: That seems really silly.

Steve: It does, doesn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Steve: And there’s a lot of keywords that you gotta watch out for in emails too.

Paying Attention To Links In Proportion to Content

Andrew: Huh, interesting. So, is there a…for deliverability, is the number of links to email, the more links you have, the higher chances it is gonna go to spam or just not get delivered by the provider ISP?

Steve: I think it has to do with the number of links in proportion to the amount of content.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Steve: And I don’t know all the rules, to be honest with you, with GlockApps, I just do whatever the tool says.

Andrew: Okay, interesting. That’s the tool I’ll be using. Another strategy you use I’ll probably steal as well is you have that email list, of course, that you send out to, but, you know, when you do a broadcast or just send an email to your whole list, you don’t send it to everyone at once, you can have a two-step approach. Can you talk about that?

Steve’s Two-Step Approach to Delivering Emails

Steve: Yeah, that’s correct. And I learned this from Carl Taylor, so I don’t take any credit for this. But basically, I have my list segmented out in terms of people who are more engaging with my emails and people who are less engaging with my emails. So, what I do is I send out a broadcast to my more engaged audience first and then I wait several hours.

And the theory here is that if an ISP like Gmail, for example, sees a whole bunch of opens, well then subsequent emails will tend to have a higher open rate because it’s already seen a whole bunch of people opening that first email. And then by sending to the less engaged audience, the hope is that that less engaged audience will have higher deliverability.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a cool strategy. All right, so I’m gonna hop topics a little bit. Before we came out, I was joking that I wasn’t gonna let you be on your phone, not let you but that you’d be pretty much stranded without cell service for four days. But in all seriousness, the service has been pretty spotty, pretty terrible.

So, I thought it’d be interesting, you know, you think about running a business, and I feel like a good sign of a well-systematized business is one where you can take off if you don’t have cell service for two or three days and things still run fairly smoothly. It’s just a good gauge to see to identify problems that you should fix.

And so a couple of those that popped up for me, things like, “Oh, I don’t have this systematized, I need to assign someone to do this,” how does it look for you?

How To Cut Yourself Off From Your Business to Hang Out in a Van

Steve: Well, first of all, I have to say that the lack of internet access has forced me to talk to Andrew more often than I’m used to. I had no alternative.

Andrew: You found things about me he never wished to find out.

Steve: No alternative, I’m just stuck in this van with Andrew. So, to answer your question, before I left, I actually had all the blog posts to my podcast queued up, so “My Wife Quit Her Job” is pretty straightforward. Bumblebee, we’ve had some turmoil lately. And my wife is still there, so she’s handling everything, but we’re down to stat numbers right now.

Andrew: To be clear, she’s not the source of the turmoil.

Steve: She’s not, that’s correct. Yeah, she’s not. Yeah. The turmoil is the fact that we had two employees, 50% of our workforce, basically, recently resigned after five years of being with us. And it’s been very hectic. I mean, my wife’s running it. If she were here with me, then I…right now, we’re actually not in good shape.

Andrew: Nice. So, on that point what is the budget for the president you’re gonna be bringing Jen back? Is it in the $800 range, the $2,000 range or the $5,000 range?

Steve: You know, I recall someone has a 10-year wedding anniversary coming up, and I think you need to be more worried about your wife’s present first.

Andrew: Oh, I’ve got everything planned out, man. I mean, I’m not gonna tell you what it is. If you ask me, I’m not gonna…you would spoil it. You would tell Annie. Of course, I’m not gonna…

Steve: What are you talking about? I was helping you brainstorm. Really, you have no idea what you’re gonna do. I hope Annie listens to this episode, by the way.

Andrew: No, I don’t think she listens to it. She’ll probably fall asleep.

How To Define Success For Yourself

Andrew: The other thing you were talking is, or we were talking about yesterday was you were listening to Derek Sivers podcast from him I think with Tim Ferris. And he’s a really interesting entrepreneur, I think a lot of people are probably familiar with him, the topic of like how do you define success came up.

Steve: Yeah, so it made me think, because one thing that Derek said that was really interesting was that you have to judge someone’s success by what they’re intended objective was. So, for example, if your intended objective was to spend more time with family, and let’s say you made $50 million but you never see your family, then technically, that person failed, right? Even though from our perspective, that person might seem to be really successful.

Andrew: Right.

Steve: And so I’ve had to do this with myself a lot, whether I wanna make more revenue or generate more money. I lost track of this I think last year where I was just working harder on my business at the expense of spending more time with family, and then I had to just reset a few things and take the foot off the pedal for a little bit.

Andrew: Yeah, and, you know, I’ve kinda a little bit come up multiple times as we’ve been talking on this trip is you really don’t like the stress of feeling forced to have to make a lot of money…

Steve: That’s right.

Andrew: Because it takes from your autonomy to be able to work on things that interest you and excite you. And we were talking about the venture route and how….maybe to see some interesting aspects there, but you wouldn’t go… you said that you would work for an interesting startup in a tech role in a role you enjoy, but you wouldn’t found a startup for those reasons, because you feel like you wouldn’t wanna just be completely chained to it for multiple years.

Steve: It’s not so much being chained to it, but when VCs give you money, they expect you to spend it and grow really fast. And it’s very stressful. The reason of this team up, by the way, is because my wife wanted to buy another house, and if we do end up buying another house, that means I might have to work harder, and that would stress me out. Because right now, like I can get by the way I am. Even if things don’t grow, it’s still gonna be pretty chill. So, Andrew, do you feel the same way?

Andrew: I do at some point, yeah. You mean in terms of not feeling like you have to make money?

Steve: Yeah, or being pressured to.

Setting Aside Time for Family

Andrew: I do. I don’t think I feel that quite as strong as you. I mean, ideally, long-term yeah, I wanna be able to say like I’m only gonna work at only what I wanna work on and nothing else. But I think there can also be a little bit of I enjoy what I do, like those hard parts of any jobs, but for the most part, I really enjoy it, so that’s nice.

Steve: You got three beautiful children.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean, you’ve gotta…

Steve: Beautiful wife, you wanna spend some time with her.

Andrew: Yeah. I tend to feel like I have a pretty good balance between the two. And I feel like myself, and our family, and Annie, like if we need to, we can live really leanly. So, I feel like if push came to shove, I never would have to work that hard to maintain a, just a regular standard of living for our family, like a non-extravagant, just a baseline, you know?

Steve: All right, you live pretty lean right now. I would call Andrew a minimalist big time.

Andrew: The other thing too is I think about, I tend to be a worst case scenario guy, I don’t know about you. A lot of times you can think…I think all entrepreneurs do this. They go through this idea of my business is gonna fall apart, like what’s gonna happen? Like, you know, is it gonna be…what happens if revenue falls off a cliff?

And yeah, that stuff can happen, but at the end of the day, I feel if I needed to and everything burned up and was gone tomorrow, I could go out and hopefully, convince someone to give me a job for, you know, a living wage, and at the end of the day, like… as long as it’s a company you enjoy working with, things could be a lot worse.

Steve: I remember we also talked about work-life balance, right?

Andrew: Yeah.

Steve: And I said something like I don’t actually believe that when it’s balanced, like you have to be imbalanced in order to get ahead.

Andrew: Yes, agreed.

Steve: Right?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Steve: And then you added an important point to that, and I don’t know if you wanna clarify that.

Starting a New Business When You Have a Family

Andrew: Oh, that is just really…what you said, and I think we just step back one second before we move forward is, so for me…and maybe for me, it was like the first two, two and a half years of my business, especially the first year and then to some extent, the next two years. But we worked like crazy to build up that momentum from nothing.

Steve: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. But my point was I think it’s a lot harder to do when you have…When you’re single, it’s really…it’s not easy, but you’ve got all the time in the world, right? Like if you work 18 hours a day, it’s not a big deal, right? But it gets increasingly difficult if you get married, and if you have children, it becomes interestingly difficult.

And then if you lay on a business on top of that, like right now I’m trying to launch and do a lot of work on the job boards. Starting to see some progress with them, which is really cool, but at the same time, with a family, you wanna spend time with, and then also with an existing business that probably, you know, already has let’s say 30%, 40% of my bandwidth to try to keep it running well and improve it, you just have so much less time to get something running.

And you’re doing that with “Go Brand Win.”

On Working With A Partner

Steve: Yeah, well okay, so for me, we cranked, my wife and I, for the first year, big time with Bumblebee Linens. And then with my blog, I cranked for that first year. I don’t know if you know this, but I was writing five times per week in the beginning of that blog. And that totally burned me out. But I was cranking in the very beginning, and then, you know, it tapers off once things get going.

You know, with “Go Brand Win,” you know, since we have kids and they have so many activities, I’ve gone the route of choosing a really good partner, an equity partner where we can split the duties. And that’s made things a lot more smooth. And we talked about this and how come you haven’t been on that route yet?

Andrew: With finding a partner?

Steve: Yeah, just in general. Because you have three kids, I mean, you have more kids than I do.

Andrew: Yeah, on the partner specifically, there’s almost no one in the world I would partner with, just because I feel like…not because I think they couldn’t do it better than I do.

Steve: I asked Andrew if I could partner with him, by the way. He totally denied me. It’s cool, though. It’s cool.

Andrew: I know there are so many people that are infinitely smarter and harder working than I am, but it’s more of a…I think it’s a) I’m a bit of a control freak, and b) I think the partnership you have with Tony works really well, but I think from what I have seen…we had a thread in the forums about partnerships, and, you know, multiple times this topic has come up and people have said like, “Hey, should I do this? I’m thinking about partnering with somebody.”

And almost, you know, almost across the board, people said, “Do not do it,” and they listed, oh, 90% of people. I think when partnerships work, they work exquisitely well, and when they don’t, they blow up in just, you know, in a massive nuclear cloud from what I’ve seen. I could be wrong, but that’s what…

Steve: I haven’t seen that. Was it with random partners or people that you know really, really well?

Andrew: It was both.

Steve: It was? That was interesting.

Steve’s New Group Giveaway Platform

Andrew: Yeah, it was across the board. So, but you mention “Go Brand Win” too, which is a new business you’re running with your partner, Tony Anderson. Can you talk about what that is?

Steve: Yeah, actually, I posted about it on the forum. And it’s basically a group giveaway platform where different brands donate a gift card and we create one gigantic giveaway. And so people enter the giveaway, and all those emails, sorry, everyone sends out a broadcast of that giveaway to their respective lists, and at the end, we share the entire list with all the brands who have participated.

So, it’s basically, a very simple way to grow your email list quickly by kind of leveraging and partnering with other brands that are in your same niche.

Andrew: So, just for example, maybe you’ve got five ecommerce stores that are in the cooking space, and so they all come together and maybe they all donate a bunch of products.

Steve: They’ll donate like a $200 gift card, and then they will blast their list about this gigantic give away. So if it was five companies, $200 gift card, that’s $1,000. They all blast their lists about this $1,000 giveaway, and that will generate a bunch of entries. And then at the very end of the contest, the winner gets to gift cards, and then every single brand gets the entire email list.

Andrew: Yeah, perfect. And so, if people wanna either learn more about it, or if they’re an ecommerce store, or if they wanna potentially get involved, just gobrandwin.com, right?

Steve: Yeah, that’s correct.

Andrew: We’ll link up to the show notes, link up to that site in the show notes as well. So your first contest is coming up like this next week, right?

Steve: We do, yes. As soon as I get back from this place, provided you give me a ride back to civilization.

Teaching Kids To Be Entrepreneurial

Andrew: Okay, final topic here before we maybe wrap things up. We’ve been talking about kids, we’re both dads. You have a couple of kids, I have three kids. Obviously, we’re both entrepreneurs. Are you encouraging your kids to be entrepreneurial? If so, how? And if they’re not entrepreneurial, is that gonna be something that will disappoint you?

Steve: It won’t disappoint me for sure, but we are definitely encouraging it, probably for a different reason than you are. Andrew just gave me this weird look, by the way.

Andrew: …It was the different reasons I get.

Steve: Well, maybe that’s not the right way to say it. But I think going to a good school is important to me.

Andrew: It seems like your children are gonna have to be entrepreneurial if they wanna avoid like just, you know, a life of poverty and filth. My kids will study their way, I mean.

Steve: Anyways, these days to get into a good school you have to stand out somehow. And I think the best way other than like every person practice piano, everyone has a sport, but if you have a business that’s doing pretty well, then that makes you a strong candidate for getting in. And it also provides you with a really good experience.

And I, you know, I don’t wanna have my Asian card revoked, but over the years I’ve come to believe that, you know, a college education is less of an indicator of success, mainly because I went to this whole thing and I worked in industry, I worked a corporate job, and then, you know, I started a business and I instantly made more than what I was making in salary relatively quickly.

Andrew: With your business?

Steve: With my businesses, yeah. So, you know, I strongly believe now that, you know, just going the entrepreneurship route is definitely viable. I don’t wanna say instead of going to college, but college matters less these days.

Andrew: Yeah, you made the comment that, you know, if you get into a really good Ivy League school, maybe it’s worth going to college largely for the network out this.

Steve: For the networking.

Andrew: The resources. Yeah, but you’re less…and I would tend to agree with this, and especially in 10 to 15 years, I think we’re gonna see, I really hope we see a big change in the way education works, especially if you have to go into debt for it. Yeah, I mean how are you encouraging your kids for entrepreneurship?

Steve: So, right now we’re actually having my daughter take part in the marketing for some of our products. So, we’ve created some sales videos with her in it marketing our mother-daughter aprons that are personalized, and she’s really actually embraced that. She loves doing the videos, and so we were thinking at some point we’ll start, you know, her own line of stuff where she’s going on and promote it herself. She’s really good on camera, which helps.

Andrew: She is. She’s really good on camera. You’ve got her selling the cookies, Girl Scout cookies, utilizing Facebook video, which is pretty cutting edge for Girl Scout cookies, so…

Steve: It’s mainly because I don’t wanna go around the neighborhood in a wagon slipping cookies. So, we create these videos, and we selling all of her cookies on Facebook.

Andrew: Did you run ads for those, or did you just do it for the…

Steve: It’s for the house now.

Andrew: Seems to be you spend $200 to sell $500 of cookies.

Steve: Yeah, so somebody doesn’t have to slip in a wagon around the neighborhood.

Andrew: Oh, man. Yeah, I mean, my kids entrepreneurship, I think I wouldn’t be disappointed if they didn’t do it either, especially if they found a job, or a calling, or some kind of career they really enjoyed.

Steve: Like engineering, doctor or lawyer, for example?

Andrew: It would be a little broader than that, but those are three potential options. But, yeah, but I think I’d be great for them to have the choice. I see my two girls right now, and one of them I see could potentially really find something she love to do and do and just thriving and excel in a traditional job.

The other one is like me, and she is very sweet, but she’s also very stubborn. Loves to do things her way, and thinks she knows better than everyone else in the world. And I think entrepreneurship might be a great path for her, because she wants to call her own shots, of that’s one of the, you know…Their earning potential is great, but also the autonomy, I think, is just as important to me for entrepreneurship.

So yeah, we’ve been doing stuff like trying to teach them about, you know, how business works, and they’ve running like trying to sell seashells when we were in Alaska. They try to make cookies and do little cookie stands. All sorts of just little fun stuff to try to sell things.

Chores around the house, they have to earn their money, which is less so about, you know, entrepreneurship, more so about the value of money, things like that. But yeah, I think that’s why I wanna teach them that, so.

So, we should get close to wrapping up here. Maybe we can end on day two here, what’s been your favorite part of the trip so far, and your least favorite part of the trip so far?

Highlights From The Trip (And The Low Points Too)

Steve: My favorite part of the trip actually was the white water rafting.

Andrew: Really? Okay, cool.

Steve: You know, I had forgotten how fun it is to do that. What’s funny here is like Andrew was in the back and I was in the front. So, I don’t know if you were purposely doing this, but you’d steer it so, I take like all the water.

Andrew: I thought you were white water rafting, man. I mean, it’s…if you’re gonna go rafting, you might as well…

Steve: Are you sure? It was completely much dry at the end. We didn’t flip, that was one thing, though.

Andrew: We got very close, many times coming out of some of those rapids.

Steve: Actually, another thing that I really enjoyed was the shower I just took, because we hadn’t showered in a couple of days.

Andrew: We may have poached the showers at the old fifth lane.

Steve: And then Andrew, I remember after the shower, he comes in and he’s like, “Hey, man. I’m used to not showering for six days straight.” And I’m like, “That’s a good fact to know Andrew. I did not need to know that.”

Andrew: When backpacking is what was conveniently left out there. Cool, least favorite part of the trip.

Steve: Least favorite part of the trip?

Andrew: And this is softball where you can insult me…

Steve: No, no. No, I would actually have to say is there’s too many tourists here in Yellowstone, right?

Andrew: There’s a lot.

Steve: The way we got around that is we went off the beaten path, I guess. And it was much nicer once we did that.

Andrew: Until we get the warning from someone about a grizzly sighting close by and turn this around. In any other way. I’d say my favorite part of the trip so far has been…rafting was awesome.

The other probably highlight for me was yesterday we, half an hour before sunset, just took off, climbed up this nearly dirt road to this beautiful lookout for just…

Steve: I forgot about that, that was very romantic.

Andrew: It was.

Steve: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, it was pretty amazing, where we immediately both called our wives.

Steve: Our spouses, yes.

Andrew: Yeah, we got awkward. But no, that was really cool. Least favorite part of the trip so far?

Steve: I would say mosquitoes, maybe.

Andrew: Yes, that’s a great answer. The hordes of mosquitoes. I forgot, the mosquitoes were the least part. The other favorite part of my trip, two more things, one when you told me I was right when I won that argument, and then secondly, when you were fanning me with the Frisbee while I was cooking. That was wonderful. Thank you for that. To be fair, you’re doing it very kindly to keep the mosquitoes off.

Steve: Yeah. Yeah, that’s what it was. It looked ridiculous, though. I was in a winter jacket actually, so the mosquitoes couldn’t bite me, and I was in here fanning Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah, we’d get some funny looks from people going by. Well, cool man, it’s been fun. Hopefully, we’ll catch up tomorrow maybe with another little podcast episode. Yeah, until next time, thanks for listening.

Steve: We’ve got two more days of this.

Andrew: Two more days, hopefully, until we start fighting.

Steve: Yeah, of course.

Stay Tuned For Part 3!

Andrew: Hope you enjoyed a slightly unorthodox episode from the road. If you’re interested in checking out pictures from the trip, including a snapshot of the three hitchhikers we picked up and threw in the back of a van, or the snow on a 10,000 thousand foot mountain pass that Steve swore was sand and lost $20 to me in a bet on, you can check those out in the show notes. And no, I’m not kidding about that last. That was Steve. I wish I was. But you can check all these pictures out in the show notes, ecommercefuel.com/summer-ecommerce-roadtrip.

And if you wanna catch part one, or part three where we talk about more adventures involving crazy windy roads, white water rafting and more, you can do that at mywifequitherjob.com, as well as some ecommerce banter and tips as well.

If you haven’t seen the job board we launched at eCommerceFuel, you should. If you’re looking for a gig in the ecommerce market, we curate jobs on a regular basis from very cool ecommerce companies we love. And if you’re hiring, we reach over 80,000 people a month and we potentially could even feature your job to email list to 5,000-plus people all here on the eCommerceFuel podcast.

And you can learn more about that if you’re on either side of the market there at ecommercefuel.com/jobs.

Finally, a huge “Thank you,” again to Liquid Web, who is hands down the best place to host your WooCommerce store online. You can learn more about them at ecommercefuel.com/liquidweb.

And also to Klaviyo, who makes email marketing automation incredibly easy and powerful. If you’re not using them, you can get started for free at ecommercefuel.com/klaviyo. Thanks so much for listening, and I’m looking forward to seeing you again next Friday.

Want to connect with and learn from other proven ecommerce entrepreneurs? Join us in the eCommerceFuel private community. It’s our tight-knit, vetted group for store owners with at least a quarter of a million dollars in annual sales. You can learn more and apply for membership at ecommercefuel.com.

Thanks so much for listening, and I’m looking forward to seeing you again next time.

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